[Council of University Classical Departments]

Meeting of CUCD Standing Committee

January 15th 2000, 11 am

Institute of Classical Studies, Senate House, Malet Street, LONDON WC1E 7HU.


    Apologies for absence

  1. Minutes of meeting on 22nd May 1999

  2. Chair's report:
    Travel funds for Postgraduates (Document A)
    Learning and Teaching Centre
    AHRB database
    QAA consultation on Qualifications Frameworks
    Subject Review under New Methodology
    British Academy consultation on Research Support

  3. CUCD organisation and constitution

  4. Treasurer's report

  5. CUCD session at CA conference: Classics Teaching

  6. Bulletin and Website

  7. Proposal for unified Classics prospectus (Document B)

  8. Proposed Register of External Examiners (Document C)

  9. AOB

  10. Dates of future meetings

Report of the Meeting of Standing Committee, January 15th, 2000

Present: Prof. R.W. Sharples (Chair), Dr E.G. Clark, Mr G. Eatough, Dr C. Emlyn-Jones, Prof. R.P.H. Green, Dr N.J. Lowe, Dr T. Morgan, Dr E.E. Pender, Mrs C.M. Roueche, Dr N.K. Rutter, Prof. M. Schofield, Dr D.G.J. Shipley.

2. Chair's report

2.1 Travel funds for postgraduates
Both the Arts and Humanities Research Board (AHRB) and Student Awards Agency for Scotland (SAAS) provide travel funds for postgraduate award holders, for purposes directly connected with their research projects. The AHRB also contributes up to ?350 towards the costs of attending a conference overseas to deliver a paper.
2.2 Learning and Teaching Centre for Classics
The University of Glasgow would be the 'host' site for the distributed partnership arrangement for the Learning and Teaching Support Network centre (funded by HEFCE) for History, Classics and Archaeology. HEFCE had agreed to the distributed arrangement after forceful representations from the Chair and from the others involved. The subject centre for Classical Studies is to be located at the Open University, in a partnership with Archaeology (based at Leicester University) and History (based at the University of Glasgow). Lorna Hardwick (OU) would direct the Classical Studies centre: the OU had agreed to appoint a full time language specialist who would be seconded half-time to the Centre, and there would be another half- time post.
2.3 AHRB database for research panels
In the autumn CUCD had sought nominations for people to sit on research award panels. Thirty nominations had been sent to AHRB on 29/11/99.
2.4 QAA consultation on Qualifications Frameworks
The CUCD's response to the consultation had been sent to the Quality Assurance Agency (QAA) on the 16/12/99. The response noted that the QAA had modified its position with regard to combined MA and BA teaching, stating that "this will not now be covered by the National Qualifications Frameworks policy but will be addressed in the QAA code of practice". The CUCD response also included comments from Glasgow on proposals concerning the Honours and Pass degrees.
2.5 Subject Review under new methodology
The new methodology for subject review was being piloted in Scotland and Wales generally in 2000 and 2001. QAA was seeking reviewers for subject review under the new system in England and Wales for 2000-2003. It was noted that various institutions and various Classics departments were objecting to the new methodology as being no improvement on the old. There was some lack of clarity as to whether the exercise in Scotland under the new methodology will be undertaken in 2000/2001 as planned or deferred until 2001/2002.
2.6 British Academy consultation on research support
The CUCD response to this consultation had been submitted on the 13/1/00. The response had expressed the view that Academy grants should not include money for replacement teaching when research grants are awarded to individuals, for the reason given by the Academy itself that the sums available would not be sufficient, and also because it could reinforce the trend to poor payment of part-time teachers. We had also rejected in general the suggestion that the upper limit of 5000 for these awards be increased, but suggested that a few grants of up to 7000 be made available for scholars at an early stage in their careers. If there was a proposal for increased Academy funding for archaeology, on the grounds that the AHRB was focussing its grants on fewer and larger excavations, such Academy funding should be ring- fenced so as not to erode that available for other areas.

3. CUCD organisation and constitution

A paper is to be presented at the next meeting of the Standing Committee discussing the original constitution established in 1969 and proposing changes to the method of electing members to the Standing Committee. The aims of the new proposals are to create greater transparency and openness and to ensure the continued commitment and involvement of member departments.

5. CUCD session at CA conference: Classics Teaching and the PGCE

The session at conference would be part of an on-going liaison between CUCD and Schools of Education on the recruitment of Classics graduates to the PGCE. The scheme of establishing departmental contacts to disseminate information on the PGCE to prospective applicants had begun, and discussions would progress on how to develop closer links between language summer schools and language teaching in departments.

Given the different amounts of Greek and Latin language offered in various Classical degree programmes, the relation of undergraduate courses to the language level required for entry into the PGCE needs clarification. The level of Latin needed for entry to the PGCE course for Classics can be an obstacle for those students who began Latin (or Greek) at university.

6. CUCD Bulletin and Web site

The job of editing the Bulletin should henceforth be separated from maintaining the CUCD Web site. The on-line classicists directory was moving to the Classical Association Web site and in future the CUCD Web site would aim to provide more specialist directories and information relating specifically to the CUCD, e.g. the dates of forthcoming meetings, plus agendas and reports on Standing Committee and Council. The Web site would create links to the other main classical Web sites and the address would be included on all CUCD e-mail communication.

7. Proposal for unified Classics prospectus

It was agreed that the proposal should be discussed further with JACT and CA representatives.

8. Proposed Register of External Examiners

In order to facilitate appointments of new externals by individual departments CUCD would collect information from departments with the aim of producing a register of external examiners on the CUCD Web site.

10. Dates of future meetings

Standing Committee: 3/6/00 and 7/10/00. Council meeting: 11/11/00.

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